Where claims for Clive Palmers’ vaccine crumble

Palmer: “It is well known that if you are vaccinated you can get the virus, and you can pass it on. It makes no difference in a public health context. “

It’s true that you can still get COVID-19 if you’ve been vaccinated – just as you can still get the flu if you’ve been vaccinated against the flu. But the coronavirus vaccine absolutely makes a difference in your health and reduces your ability to transmit it.

Melbourne’s intensive care units are filled with critically ill unvaccinated patients. The latest data from Victoria shows that 66% of the 285 cases of COVID in hospital are not fully immunized, while 74% of those in intensive care were not fully immunized.

In Sydney, unvaccinated people who caught the Delta strain at the height of the epidemic were 16 times more likely to end up in intensive care than their vaccinated counterparts.

Associate Professor Bette Liu, who co-authored an analysis of the vaccination status of cases in New South Wales, said the high vaccination rates “are sure to reduce the disease burden” of the circulating virus.


“The fact that we have also seen a decrease in disease rates thanks to this epidemic is also an indication of the effect of the vaccines,” she said.

Palmer: “A lot of people think they can die in two or three years because the side effects don’t just happen when you take the vaccines.”

In fact, the side effects of the vaccines are quite immediate. The question of long-term side effects is more complicated – but in short, scientists are convinced that the vast majority of side effects are discovered in the first months after vaccination.

Scientists who spoke to The Sydney Morning Herald and Age say this is supported by data on older vaccines, including measles and the HPV vaccine.

As head of clinical research at the National Center for Immunization Research and Surveillance, Professor Robert Booy, said during the review of the 10-year safety data: “The best analogy is that we have a dozen or more routine vaccinations, for which we know the long term The safety profile at term is excellent and significant adverse events occur within six minutes or six weeks of vaccine administration.

Palmer: “Coercion is used all the time: if you are a father and you support five children your job is taken away from you by government meddling, by Scott Morrison taking action, you lose your earnings. -bread. “

States control health orders and decisions on vaccination mandates, and most have made vaccination a requirement for health care workers and elderly care workers after the agreement of the national cabinet. Some states have also introduced more vaccination rules, requiring proof of vaccination for those who wish to enter gyms, restaurants or nightclubs.

But there is a difference between coercion – forcing someone to do something – and making vaccines a requirement to do certain things, like working in a hospital with vulnerable patients.

As Tasmanian Senator Jacqui Lambie said earlier this week: “If you can get the vaccine but choose not to, discrimination is not the right word. “

His argument? People have the freedom to make choices, but sometimes those choices have consequences.

“Being held accountable for your own actions isn’t called discrimination, it’s called being, you wouldn’t believe, a bloody fucking adult,” Senator Lambie said.

Palmer: “Over 500,000 people marched in Melbourne last weekend, 150,000 people marched with Craig Kelly in Sydney. “


If Mr Palmer’s numbers were correct, it would mean that one in 10 Melburnians had shown up at the protest.

There were large rallies across the country to protest government restrictions and vaccines on November 20, but crowd size estimates were all well below those announced by organizers and Mr Palmer.

New South Wales Police put the number at the Sydney protest at 10,000, and Melbourne crowd estimates put it at over 10,000 – certainly well under half a million .

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